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#723925 - 08/07/12 10:10 AM
Re: Does a new electric meter HAVE to be digital?
[Re: jdevlin]
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Registered: 10/14/03
Posts: 1432
Loc: Cary, North Carolina
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jdevlin,
It was part of the broader point on electricity usage and the power companies desire to spread loads by use of means available to them. In order to get the AC control they would need to install a device to allow them to control the units remotely. Smart meters certainly allow them to institute time of day pricing and remote reading of the meters.
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#723928 - 08/07/12 10:27 AM
Re: Does a new electric meter HAVE to be digital?
[Re: jdevlin]
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Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 231
Loc: Wisconsin
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I object to them smart meters. Does that mean everyone is guilty of something when they don't want to be "enron'ed"? Basically this is enron all over again, time of use pricing, I am sure power factor is probably charged too. www.bge.com/learnshare/smartgrid/pages/common-questions.aspx The BGE website sure confirms these devices can be used for something more sinister, possibly rationed power, the list can go on. Where on that site does it say they can ration power with a smart meter? There are programs out there to adjust your AC when demand is high but that has nothing to do with smart meters. That is a special thermostat you agreed to let them install. I suggest you read this carefully: If you have opted in to a program such as PeakRewards, SM your smart meter will not change how this program operates. BGE will continue to cycle air conditioner compressors and hot water heaters on and off as needed during peak usage times, the same as when you first signed on to this program. In 2013, the smart meters will enable BGE to remotely turn service on and off at customer premises. This feature will be used when customers move out of their current homes and start service elsewhere. This capability was mandated by Maryland’s Public Service Commission in their requirements for smart meters. This cost effective feature eliminates the need for a BGE field visit when customers move or start service. BGE’s policies for situations involving a disconnection will be the same as they were prior to the installation of smart meters (learn more here). The remote connect feature will also enable BGE to place customers back into service more expeditiously.
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#723929 - 08/07/12 10:31 AM
Re: Does a new electric meter HAVE to be digital?
[Re: 120_volts]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 04/29/09
Posts: 5408
Loc: Seneca Nation
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I object to them smart meters. Does that mean everyone is guilty of something when they don't want to be "enron'ed"? Basically this is enron all over again, time of use pricing, I am sure power factor is probably charged too. www.bge.com/learnshare/smartgrid/pages/common-questions.aspx The BGE website sure confirms these devices can be used for something more sinister, possibly rationed power, the list can go on. Where on that site does it say they can ration power with a smart meter? There are programs out there to adjust your AC when demand is high but that has nothing to do with smart meters. That is a special thermostat you agreed to let them install. I suggest you read this carefully: If you have opted in to a program such as PeakRewards, SM your smart meter will not change how this program operates. BGE will continue to cycle air conditioner compressors and hot water heaters on and off as needed during peak usage times, the same as when you first signed on to this program. In 2013, the smart meters will enable BGE to remotely turn service on and off at customer premises. This feature will be used when customers move out of their current homes and start service elsewhere. This capability was mandated by Maryland’s Public Service Commission in their requirements for smart meters. This cost effective feature eliminates the need for a BGE field visit when customers move or start service. BGE’s policies for situations involving a disconnection will be the same as they were prior to the installation of smart meters (learn more here). The remote connect feature will also enable BGE to place customers back into service more expeditiously. The smart meter does not act as a disconnect it operates a remote disconnect,same as a transfer switch would on a genset. This is an agreement between the customer and the PC. Mandated by the PSC in this case. It would be nice if they did. It would make our job easier in security /loss prevention. If we could turn of some meters remotely fewer pit-bulls would be in the pound. Most never leave there due to their disposition.
Edited by code_ceis (08/07/12 10:34 AM)
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#724031 - 08/08/12 11:41 AM
Re: Does a new electric meter HAVE to be digital?
[Re: 120_volts]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 03/09/06
Posts: 4538
Loc: Illinois
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The loss of jobs smart meters create, and other health problems What health problems? All our water meters are now remote meters. The city used to have people come by and read the water meters. They now have it all done remotely without having to look at a meter or remote dial. I'm sure it caused some job looses but it possibly prevented a rate increase. In my area Com Ed is going to be replacing all the electric meters with smart meters in the near future. Some newer houses already had smart meters, they drive down the street and take the readings remotely. Maybe the new ones can do it through a phone line so they don't even need to have a driver.
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#724039 - 08/08/12 12:51 PM
Re: Does a new electric meter HAVE to be digital?
[Re: debodun]
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Registered: 09/09/02
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Loc: Welland Ont. Canada
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With the smart meter at my house I can log into my account and see my daily usage broken down by and time of day, right up to two days ago.
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#724043 - 08/08/12 01:29 PM
Re: Does a new electric meter HAVE to be digital?
[Re: debodun]
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Registered: 10/14/03
Posts: 1432
Loc: Cary, North Carolina
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The technology exists to transmit the usage information right across the power lines. Our smart meter is read by a truck driving down the street. Our water meter is read by several wireless transceivers located around town. The gas company hasn't jumped on the bandwagon yet. Data Over Powerlines
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#724127 - 08/09/12 03:30 PM
Re: Does a new electric meter HAVE to be digital?
[Re: debodun]
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Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 231
Loc: Wisconsin
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Obviously these things are disliked for a very good reason. I am glad there is push against the utilities pushing these sinister things. Wait til they shut down more coal power plants and stuff like that. They can easily shut you down. Or create a supposed demand for electricity, we had a criminal corporation that did that, called enron. For all we know enron was behind creating smart meters.
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#724129 - 08/09/12 04:07 PM
Re: Does a new electric meter HAVE to be digital?
[Re: 120_volts]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 03/09/06
Posts: 4538
Loc: Illinois
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I am glad there is push against the utilities pushing these sinister things The utility company will do what they want. If a customer really objects to the meter they can install their own solar panels and disconnect from the power grid, there are people that are completely off the grid, but they are connected to sell excess power back to the utility. They are installing smart meters to cut costs, so they don't need meter readers. The city did that with water meters several years ago. There is no sinister purpose. IF there is a remote disconnect capability (there may not even be one) it just saves the costs of having a technician come out to pull the meter to disconnect (although I wondered if a clerical error could shut off the wrong house, but they could have also had the wrong address they sent a technician to to pull the meter). I bet most customers will not even know their meter was changed, except for the 1 minute power outage during the change out.
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#724164 - 08/10/12 07:51 AM
Re: Does a new electric meter HAVE to be digital?
[Re: debodun]
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enthusiast
Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 231
Loc: Wisconsin
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I guess we will see what happens in the future then, but by that time the first amendment will more then likely be zapped, so I won't be able to say you were wrong.
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#724244 - 08/10/12 08:21 PM
Re: Does a new electric meter HAVE to be digital?
[Re: MCA]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 04/29/09
Posts: 5408
Loc: Seneca Nation
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I am glad there is push against the utilities pushing these sinister things The utility company will do what they want. If a customer really objects to the meter they can install their own solar panels and disconnect from the power grid, there are people that are completely off the grid, but they are connected to sell excess power back to the utility. They are installing smart meters to cut costs, so they don't need meter readers. The city did that with water meters several years ago. There is no sinister purpose. IF there is a remote disconnect capability (there may not even be one) it just saves the costs of having a technician come out to pull the meter to disconnect (although I wondered if a clerical error could shut off the wrong house, but they could have also had the wrong address they sent a technician to to pull the meter). I bet most customers will not even know their meter was changed, except for the 1 minute power outage during the change out. Normally no power outage when we change meters. We place jumpers around the meter remove replaced and the power is never interrupted.
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