Bob I would have never placed you as a "truther" I shouldn't wander into the "around the shop" section because it kills any respect I have for people when they go into stuff like this. Welcome to Rosie O'Donnell's world Bob.

Popular Mechanics debunked quite convincingly the popular truther conspiracies about 9/11.

I don't buy conspiracies in general because as a wise man once said, the only way 3 people can keep a secret is if 2 of them are dead. To pull off everything that happened on 9/11 in a government conspiracy would require hundreds of people to be in on it. Some of them would eventually talk.

I've flown a multi-engine aircraft before.

I don't have a pilot license, and it was the first aircraft I've ever flown.

Once an airplane is in the air, they're actually fairly easy to fly. You don't have to worry about things like throttles, flaps, any of that [censored].

The basics of controlling a small aircraft are, according to the pilot who was with me, very similar to flying a DC-3 (what I was flying that day) and B-52s, which he flew for the Air Force.

I have no doubt that, with even minimal instruction, these clowns could have flown an airliner, because I piloted a DC-3 for nearly an hour without sending it into a mountain, into the ground, or into another aircraft. I changed altitude, and I made turns. And all of that was without any prior flight experience.


As for the concept that this could have been some sort of vast government conspiracy, that's just an incredible laugh.

Watergate was a small and pretty tightly controlled conspiracy, and it unraveled in rather short order.

The thought that a conspiracy that would have required the number of people to be involved as something like this wouldn't unravel in short order is simply ludicrous.

Not worth arguing.

If you don't understand the clear & simple non-conspiratorial explanation by now, you never will.

I, too, find it hard to believe GWB planned it, and the author didn't say he did, only that he went along with it.

[Yes, I can see the transition from Clinton to Bush, "Oh by the way we have this plan going on to push the New World Order, surely you'll go along with it. We going to bring down the Twin Towers with 50,000 people in them]


Remember, he is a proponent of the NWO and those people have been planning our demise for years! They act as a single-minded entity, regardless of who is in power.

There were evacuation drills not long before the event and the author detailed how the explosives could have been planted during those times. Also, people tend to ignore maintenance workers.

[The explosives could have been planted during evacuation drills? I'd like to run that one by the companies that use controlled explosive demolition to bring down buildings. That is so ridiculous. It would probably take thousands of hours to plant those explosives and probably leave huge gaping holes all over the place. I feel it's stupid to even comment on this "possibility"]

Some of those operatives who were supposed to have been in the planes are still alive today.

[Don't know what that statement is supposed to mean, but I think it's pretty common knowledge that NOBODY survived any of those plane crashes]


The author gave the location of about four of them, but didn't elaborate on their involvement.

At least two experts said the men who supposedly commandeered the planes were barely able to fly a simple single engine plane, and certainly not a multi-engine plane. I used to fly and I can attest to the fact a multi-engine license takes a LOT of training which takes a lot of time. I doubt they would even have been accepted into a multi-engine training program until they had a lot of hours with solo flight in smaller planes.

[I doubt they would even have been accepted into a multi-engine training program until they had a lot of hours with solo flight in smaller planes. Possibly the only true statement in all the garbage you put up. Their intent was not to get into a multi engine training program or get a multi-engine license. Their intent was to learn enough to fly the plane AFTER it was in the air and not worry about landing it. I'm not a pilot but I once piloted a plane from Naples to Venice (where these guys trained), I'd bet with 2 years training I could steer one of those commercial airliners too.]

I could still fly a single engine Cessna, for example, but I wouldn't even know what the throttle in an airliner looks like.

One source I read online said that simulator flight training to learn to fly a multi-engine jet from scratch is a laugh.

[Again, remember they are not getting QUALIFIED, they are merely getting FAMILIAR enough to steer the plane after someone else takes off. I worked for a company (Curtiss-Wright Electronics Division) that built flight simulators for the airlines and military. Pilots say they are so realistic that they get lost in it and feel they are actually flying]

A simulator is good for learning to operate a new plane, once a person has experience flying multi-engine, like as a copilot.

The author asks the question why the planes flown into the towers came from Boston when they could have come from at least two airports within sight of the twin towers.

[How about the timing to take over the aircraft? If the flight originates in New York, it'd be beyond the Towers in a heartbeat, maybe the air traffic in NY and Newark posed other problems, maybe it was security. It could have been any number of things]

The planes from Boston had to make several difficult maneuvers. More fuel on board, true, but the fuel didn't bring down the three buildings.

[Yes Bob, the burning fuel and resulting heat is what di bring down those buildings NOT planted explosives.]

Hey, the NWO people have been putting presidents in place for several decades! You probably don't believe that but I have read that many places. Even the NWO people have bragged about that in published works. Look up Albert Pike sometime.

[Ah yes, it's all on the New World Order. And bin Laden and the Al Qaeda were part of the New World Order. The goal of these guys is to get back to the Old World Order, circa 1500. Bob, you need to get a grip, I think you're losing it.]

Seems to me that the steel trusses that spanned the towers under the floors are far more effected by fire and warping..

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Another thing discounted in the theories is the other two planes. Was the Pentagon wired? If so, how come the target of the last plane didn't blow up too?

Not just burning fuel from the planes...

Any modern office building is simply loaded with tons of material that burns very nicely.

Chair cushions, plastics, fabrics, wood, and literally tons and tons and tons of paper.

And let's not forget the forge effect that was fanning those flames, either.

Oh, and all that "concrete dust"? The majority of what looked like concrete dust was dust from the insulation that was sprayed onto the steel members (as is done in every building) to protect them from fire) as well as ash from the tons and tons of paper that was burning in the buildings.

To my mind, the conspiracy theorists on this topic miss one glaring fact:

There has never been a human organization competant enough to pull off such an audacious plan without someone spilling the beans. The US Federal Gov. certainly isn't that competant.

Flying an aircraft to a certain point in space isn't hard if you don't have to survive the meeting. Anyone can fire up their favorite flight simulator and do it. I put a B36 into the Sears Tower on my first attempt, with ease. I don't see the merit of that particular arguement.

Controlled demo requires more than strategic placement of explosives. There is alot of structural weakening (cutting and partial removal of columns) that is also necessary. It's not subtle.

Anyone wants to see how quickly heat weakens steel (AWESOME PHOTO BOZ!) can visit my back yard forge. I'll demonstrate.

J

The whole idea is ludicrous. We all know Elvis and Marilyn Monroe did it.

Awesome photo indeed (this picture is certainly worth a 1000 words) and you can bet the heat was not enough to melt the beams. The steel does not have to melt to fail as was pointed out.

And yes Jason the planning and logistics to drop those buildings with explosives is mind boggling.



It's beyond credibility that there would not be a whistle-blower to reveal such a horrendous plot to kill innocent Americans.

There are so many individual reasons against Bob's scenario, when you combine them the odds become astronomical. It's so outrageously wrong it's foolish to even talk about "odds".

Personally, my favorite "evidence" for the "controlled explosive demolition" comes from those who say that, because the buildings didn't fall over sideways, it was all a set up.

Maybe in a world where gravity doesn't exist that could happen, but not here.