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#700347 - 01/11/12 10:35 AM Server vs Desktop PC
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Doing some leg work for the company.

Company wants to go "paperless". They are pricing the options to have a company take our records and scan them to server/dvd etc. I have been assigned to the committee.

I have been scanning my own work documents for almost 2 years and am having a hard time justifying paying for a service that I believe we as a company can do ourselves.

One company quoted us "roughly" $120K for the current records that we already have stored at our facility. Recall on these records by any particular employee is almost nill...but we do have to have them "just in case".

I use a Brother MFC ($200), PaperPort software ($100), and all of my documents are stored on the company server (30Gig).

Talking to the IT guy,

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The DELL1 server is then backed up using Microsoft Data protection Manager (DPM). Changes get copied 3 times daily to it. This also goes for our production databases. The advantage is that we can go back about 1 week on disk without having to dig out a tape. We are currently using 10% of the capacity (I just upgraded it from its former 1GB size which was at the limit. The numbers don't quite add up yet but we are still building daily backups. But 10% is ballpark.)

Once a week on Saturday we also do a tape backup. That is at 50-55% capacity and is a function of tape size and tape drive capacity.

Tapes aside, reserving another 20% for any expansion I need for production work, and another 20% for overhead I have room 50% room currently free on the DPM system….But…..
That disk space is NOT available to General Windows use. The best thing then is to acquire (or reuse if possible from Monroe) a separate server to hold the scanned documents, and then back them up to the DPM. I’d set up a separate protection group for them so that the tape backups stay separate.

Also there will need to be an offsite storage arrangement for the tapes.

Cost: reusing a server, it will only be the cost for the required tapes, and the required DPM agent license for the server.
What I don’t consider here is retrieval times or available storage. If an available server is out of disk space, or too slow then you need to add in the cost of a new one (and figure $3000-$4000 for the hardware and OS).


In laymans terms....what is the difference between this $4000 30Gb server and a +-$600 1 TB desktop to be used for this purpose?
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#700391 - 01/11/12 01:36 PM Re: Server vs Desktop PC [Re: yardmaster]
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There is no easy answer to your question without knowing ALL the in's and out's of the business....

In simplistic terms, a server will always out-perform a desktop where multiple access is required in both speed and reliability hence it's bigger price tag.

What you should perhaps concentrate more on is the fact that it is very rare to have to access the old data.

You don't mention how many pages of documents would have to be scanned but for $120K I'm guessing a lot!

Better to perhaps look at a reasonable cut-off point depending on buisness need and leave the rest as paper archives like you have now. Scanning a months documents as a start point as opposed to say 5 years would make a big dent in the price for infrequently accessed data.

I guess my other question would be "how is this going to make us paperless?"

If you are going to scan all of your documents related to any contract/order/whatever, then they still exist on paper....

Are you planning on making the order (or whatever process) online and only producing the billing/invoice document on paper?

Too many variables......
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#700414 - 01/11/12 03:02 PM Re: Server vs Desktop PC [Re: yardmaster]
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my company used to use 30 (!) tapes for daily backup. they had an auto tape changer thingie that would have to be loaded. by the next morning all 30 were done and got packed into a box for a 1 week vacation in offsite storage. then along came the optical backup - more storage in a smaller space, cost effective, reliable, and fast.

converting to an optical backup may be more cost effective in a reused machine?
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#700449 - 01/11/12 05:17 PM Re: Server vs Desktop PC [Re: TheBrit]
yardmaster Offline
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Originally Posted By: TheBrit
In simplistic terms, a server will always out-perform a desktop where multiple access is required in both speed and reliability hence it's bigger price tag.

What you should perhaps concentrate more on is the fact that it is very rare to have to access the old data.


That's actually where I was going. Since the data really isn't accessed all that frequently, I don't see the need for a "full blown" server. A Desktop hard drive would be sufficient since it really is just storage.

A desktop can be accessed and shared by all just like a server can?

I don't know what they plan on doing in the future...right now I'm focusing on the archiving of the old records. For my job...I use paper everyday. Logging in/out trucks, visitors, vendors. The following day it all gets scanned. Month's end the paper gets scrapped.
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#700479 - 01/12/12 07:13 AM Re: Server vs Desktop PC [Re: yardmaster]
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It could but reliability would be my concern.

The cost mentioned is not bad in actual fact. Reusing an existing server rather than buying new makes good sense. The majority of the cost is in the os and software required to implement the strategy and that would apply regardless of the hardware used.
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