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#638191 - 12/06/10 08:04 PM Re: Alternator question [Re: DonkeyDave]
BillJeffy Offline
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Quote:

Another question: Does it matter which way the alternator turns?




First, the easy one - rotations depends on the alternator fan......
However, considering the simple arrangement of a low amp alternator,
I wouldn't think rotation would matter enough to overheat alt........


I'm having a problem with driving from the pinion shaft however.....
too slow unless you engineer some weird pulley arrangment.....

On a one(pulley) to one (pulley) setup,
using Cap's 3.7 RPM at pinion,
you would need about a 90' ..that's FEET.. ...diameter pulley on pinion
to attain 2000 RPM at alt with typical 2" alt pulley.......

Using Punky's 650 idle rpm,
with about a 5 3/4" crank pulley,
the alt speed would be 2000.....
with typical 2" alt pulley.


But I do agree that the serpentine belt would be preferable to chain.

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#638192 - 12/07/10 05:04 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: BillJeffy]
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It even looks like with a two pulley setup going from 2" pulleys to twelve, you'd only get about 500 rpm.
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#638193 - 12/07/10 05:39 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: DonkeyDave]
JasonB Offline
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Heya Donk,

Was thinkin' about powering your wagon last night. Came to the conclusion that an auto alternator is a poor solution. You'll need too much RPM, resulting in too much "gear up", too much loss.

You need a low speed alternator. Look at the early windmill projects from www.otherpower.com for some home-built low-rpm 3 phase alternators. These could work from a diff shaft directly (dif ratios are in the 4:1 range, turning your ca. 40rpm into 160rpm). A simple belt or chain if more rpm made things easier....

You may be able to use a commercial wind turbine alty or similar tech....

Just a thought.

For a automotive alternator, I'll again suggest bicycle chain. It wouldn't be as noisy as you'd think (the actual running noise of a bike chain is minor, compared to the clickety-click of the free-wheel mech), and chain drives are far and away more efficient than belts or gears (done right 98% is typical!).

I'd go for 2 stage chain (4:1 diff, 48 tooth on the diff driving 11 tooth, driving 48 tooth, driving 11 tooth on the alty).... that's 3000rpm...

J


Edited by JasonB (12/07/10 06:10 AM)
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#638194 - 12/07/10 06:04 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: JasonB]
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This whole exercise is fascinating but I'm starting to wonder if it will work at all, at least affordably.
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#638195 - 12/07/10 06:09 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: DonkeyDave]
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The simple permanent magnet altys described here are where I'd start....

http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_wind_alternators.html

Your application has ALOT in common with wind power.

I'm about to edit my above post, as I neglected the 4:1 diff ratio...

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#638196 - 12/07/10 06:22 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: JasonB]
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What would be the diameter of a 48 tooth sprocket?
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#638197 - 12/07/10 06:38 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: DonkeyDave]
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7 or 8". The large cog on a bike. A road race bike might come with as large as a 60 tooth cog. 11 tooth is about as small as the rear cogs come. Get'em off yard sale /junk bikes for real cheap. The big cogs (called chain wheels) almost never wear out, but I'd probably consider new for the small ones, which wear more quickly.

Bicycle chain is always 1/2" pitch. It's light stuff, but will carry a few horsepower reliably with minimal lube. Heavy oils will tend to silence any clatter...

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#638198 - 12/07/10 10:09 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: JasonB]
BillJeffy Offline
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#638199 - 12/07/10 10:12 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: BillJeffy]
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Indeed, solar seems the easiest answer... I think I mentioned it far above... But solar alone would have trouble running much for long, unless the array is quite large.

Lights, a radio, a laptop, easy enough. A small fridge is quite a load...

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#638200 - 12/07/10 12:22 PM Re: Alternator question [Re: JasonB]
CabinConnection Offline
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Registered: 01/20/04
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Loc: The Indianhead's Left Nostril....
Actually... I suggested the solar/battery set-up in my first post. Lighting runs off the battery(ies) w/ AC/DC converter for the occasional plug-in needs and charging, stove and fridge runs off LP (or plug-in to 110v). Small gas powered genny available for the "just in case" times.

Simple.





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