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#638171 - 12/05/10 08:33 PM Re: Alternator question [Re: captain150]
Punky Offline
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I have a diesel truck with 2 batteries. There is also on this farm numerous diesel tractors that do not have a high rpm speed. All vehicles work fine. Most times the tractors aren't used at the highest rpms.

While optimal charging speed may be 1200-2500 rpm I still think that battery charging will happen at idle. Also, if it didn't, the alternator light on the dash would be lit until the rpm of the engine was raised.
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#638172 - 12/06/10 05:55 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: DonkeyDave]
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What is the minimum number of RPM an alternator needs to turn to charge a battery?




Interesting question. You're probably wanting to know the alternator's RPM, correct? If so, I think it depends on the specific alternator.

As electricity generation applies to your horse/donkey powered vehicle, the Amish buggies come to mind right off. I believe their lights are powered off of 12vdc storage batteries that have to be recharged (not on-vehicle charging).

Running an alternator off a tire? Hmmm... Mud/stones/etc would be a tough one to deal with. Maybe a belt off a pulley mounted just inside a wheel? But enough rotation/speed would then be an issue.

I'd think a solar/battery system would be the ticket for you guys...

On a related note, how would you satisfy the animal's food/water requirements?

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#638173 - 12/06/10 06:29 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: CabinConnection]
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If you use an axle with a differential, you could drive the alternator off the drive shaft U joint. It would be a higher RPM without a bunch of belts and pulleys.
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#638174 - 12/06/10 07:03 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: mommapup.]
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Hook the alternator you want to use by the shaft into your drill press. Hook up the wires to a battery such that the alternator will charge it. Try the press at various RPM settings. When the battery shows a voltage rise with the alternator turning, you've achieved minimum charging RPM's.

I'd bet it'll be about 1500-2000rpm for the alternator.

I'd take the power off a differential (per Boz) and then use bicycle chain/cogs for final gear-up. They're more efficient than belts and pulleys.

I would think a few solar cells might be a useful alternative/augmentation too...

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#638175 - 12/06/10 07:09 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: JasonB]
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Loc: The Indianhead's Left Nostril....
I wasn't thinking automotive rear axle... But interesting idea.



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#638176 - 12/06/10 07:29 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: CabinConnection]
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I like the differential idea but would a chain hold up to the high RPM required?
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#638177 - 12/06/10 07:37 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: DonkeyDave]
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Bigfoot
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Loc: The Indianhead's Left Nostril....
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I like the differential idea but would a chain hold up to the high RPM required?




Sure. Think motorcycle.

But the RPM you want to address is the alternator shaft's RPM. The diff's pinion shaft speed is just your starting point...

Boz/Jason/etc - how would you keep the mud etc off the alternator itself? Run your chain/belt up into a semi enclosed area?

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#638178 - 12/06/10 07:43 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: CabinConnection]
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I like the differential idea but would a chain hold up to the high RPM required?




Sure. Think motorcycle.

But the RPM you want to address is the alternator shaft's RPM. The diff's pinion shaft speed is just your starting point...

Boz/Jason/etc - how would you keep the mud etc off the alternator itself? Run your chain/belt up into a semi enclosed area?




Why not place the alternator up in the cabin? Could be in a cabinet or box of some sort. You're gonna have the battey in there someplace. You only need a small opening for the chain.
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#638179 - 12/06/10 07:47 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: CabinConnection]
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Bigfoot
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For some reason... I feel like DD's trying to re-invent the wheel.

Shirley! This has been done somewhere/somehow already!

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#638180 - 12/06/10 07:51 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: CabinConnection]
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I know of a guy who was on a cross country trek and read that he had an alternator connected to a rear wheel but that's all i know. As to the issue of mud and water, think in terms of three miles an hour.
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