Handyman Wire

Who's Online
2 registered (kickintile, 1 invisible), 47 Guests and 1 Spider online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Welcome Newcomers
Unregistered users may only post in the handyman forum. If you register, you may post in any forum and use of CAPTCHA code is not required.
Advertisement
Page 3 of 6 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 >
Topic Options
#638181 - 12/06/10 07:57 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: DonkeyDave]
CabinConnection Offline
Bigfoot
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 01/20/04
Posts: 34426
Loc: The Indianhead's Left Nostril....
I suspect the ultimate answer is going to be a generator, similar to those already available for pedal power...

Generators

Amazon's 300w jobbie

One set of plans

Top
#638182 - 12/06/10 09:59 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: DonkeyDave]
BillJeffy Offline
Don't Know Squat
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 01/02/06
Posts: 7893
Loc: USA
.
.
Quote:

.....think in terms of three miles an hour.




Interesting concept.......I'll havta think about that.

Typical belt drives (of today) would be more easily driven
than a chain.....considering the speed....

Some in-depth study would have to be done to get alt speed / output
to correspond to required usage.....If only charging battery,
a slightly higher voltage (13.5) is required, and this is determined
by voltage regulator...usually now, contained in alt.

If you add lights, or whatever in the system, speed is important
to determine output, AND overcome usage, AND have enough remaining to charge battery.

Punky - idle speed, BTW, is not indicative of alternator speed,
unless you know the pulley ratio of engine-to-alt pulley.......
and in the diesel system, that alt is probably 130 amps or so,
and has to run lights, fan, radio, yadayadayada.......
so even at idle, the alt is really spinning, up to maybe 7000 RPM at cruise.

OK, going back in my box.............

/
_________________________
.
.
Just Common Sense......
.
.
err....I'm not a Doctor, but I'll take a LOOK ! !

Top
#638183 - 12/06/10 11:08 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: CabinConnection]
JasonB Offline
` Sharp Shooter`
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 04/27/04
Posts: 12940
Loc: Cape Spencer, New Brunswick, C...
Just splash guards for the alternator rig... They're really not that well protected even in a vehicle. Could easily live in a "bread box" above the axle. The diff's output shaft could well point vertical.

J
_________________________
er, somethin'....

Top
#638184 - 12/06/10 11:12 AM Re: Alternator question [Re: Punky]
captain150 Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 01/04/03
Posts: 12213
Loc: Canada
Quote:


While optimal charging speed may be 1200-2500 rpm I still think that battery charging will happen at idle. Also, if it didn't, the alternator light on the dash would be lit until the rpm of the engine was raised.




I think the problem is the voltage. In order to charge a battery, the charging voltage doesn't only have to be higher than the battery voltage, it has to be a decent amount higher. A fully charged lead acid might be 12.6 volts or something, but the charging voltage is usually 14 or 14.5 volts. If the alternator is only hitting 13 volts at idle, that's not enough. It might be enough to run a limited number of things in the car (radio for example) so the battery doesn't discharge, but it may not be charging either.

Top
#638185 - 12/06/10 04:12 PM Re: Alternator question [Re: captain150]
DonkeyDave Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/12/03
Posts: 19778
I think a serpentine type belt (cogs) would be ideal because who wants to listen to a chain? A canvas curtain or a mud flap should be adequate to keep the alt. dry and allow for ventilation. OK auto heads, tell me how many revs a drive shaft would make for each revolution of a wheel. I would think I would go for an axle from a light rear wheel drive car like a Chevy Nova. I calculated that a wheel with a seven foot circumference would make 754 revs per mile. Correct me if I'm wrong, math isn't my strong suit,:p at three miles per hour, the wheel is turning at 37.7 RPM.

Another aspect of this is that under hard pulling conditions, the use of a simple on/off switch would leave the alternator idling and creating virtually no drag. Right?
_________________________
I don't mind morons. It's the morons who don't think they're morons that I find annoying.

Top
#638186 - 12/06/10 04:21 PM Re: Alternator question [Re: DonkeyDave]
CabinConnection Offline
Bigfoot
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 01/20/04
Posts: 34426
Loc: The Indianhead's Left Nostril....
You need to know the diff ratio of the axle you're planning on using. If you have options, go for a lower number ratio. I think the 2.73's and 3.08's were the most common, but the axle code (on one of the tubes I think) will tell you for sure what's in there...

From there, it's "simple math" to calculate the impact of the wheel diameter and needed pulleys to achieve whatever gen shaft RPM you need.

Do you have the axle now? If so, what's the code on the tube say?

Top
#638187 - 12/06/10 04:22 PM Re: Alternator question [Re: DonkeyDave]
DonkeyDave Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/12/03
Posts: 19778
Another dumb question: Does it matter which way the alternator turns?
_________________________
I don't mind morons. It's the morons who don't think they're morons that I find annoying.

Top
#638188 - 12/06/10 04:28 PM Re: Alternator question [Re: DonkeyDave]
captain150 Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 01/04/03
Posts: 12213
Loc: Canada
The drive shaft RPM depends on the differential ratio. For every 1 rotation of the wheel, you'd get 3.73 rotations of the drive shaft if it's a 3.73 rear end.

The rest of your numbers look right, and with the alternator off (ie no power to the field coil), there should be very little drag.

Top
#638189 - 12/06/10 04:47 PM Re: Alternator question [Re: DonkeyDave]
CabinConnection Offline
Bigfoot
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 01/20/04
Posts: 34426
Loc: The Indianhead's Left Nostril....
Quote:


Another aspect of this is that under hard pulling conditions, the use of a simple on/off switch would leave the alternator idling and creating virtually no drag. Right?




The drag created by the actual electricity generation is minimal when compared to the loads your entire drive train are imposing.

Top
#638190 - 12/06/10 07:36 PM Re: Alternator question [Re: JasonB]
BillJeffy Offline
Don't Know Squat
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 01/02/06
Posts: 7893
Loc: USA
Quote:

The diff's output shaft could well point vertical.

J





Uh-Uh.......no lube to pinion bearings.........

.
_________________________
.
.
Just Common Sense......
.
.
err....I'm not a Doctor, but I'll take a LOOK ! !

Top
Page 3 of 6 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 >



Moderator:  Bob_Q, Ernie, FranS 


Experts | Email Us | Disclaimer | HandymanWire home
Articles | We welcome your feedback. | Privacy
http://www.handymanwire.com
Handyman Wire
your resource for advice on home improvement and repairs.
Copyright ©2012, Handyman USA LLC.
All rights reserved.