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#571293 - 10/13/09 02:16 AM 14" Toilet Rough-In
mtcabral Offline
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Registered: 09/04/04
Posts: 68
Hi, All,

I am doing a bathroom renovation and just discovered that my toilet rough-in is 14". Home Depot told me a 14" is a special order and none too cheap. So, can I put a standard 12" rough-in model on there, assuming I am OK with the 2" gap behind the tank? Do I have potential to cause other issues, aside from the possible weird-looking gap?

Thanks, Mike

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#571294 - 10/13/09 05:10 AM Re: 14" Toilet Rough-In [Re: mtcabral]
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Bigfoot
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 01/20/04
Posts: 34325
Loc: The Indianhead's Left Nostril....
I'm not sure what "none too cheap" equates to, but 14" rough-in toilets are readily available for around $300. Any decent plumbing supply will be able to order 'em for you, and/or Google "14" rough-in toilets".

Check out this link for some other possible alternatives, for example the Toto Uni-fit models link near the bottom of the page. This adapter has 10", 12", and 14" capability.

To answer your original question however, if you are OK with the extra clearance in back of the tank, the 12" will work just fine.

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#571295 - 10/13/09 05:25 AM Re: 14" Toilet Rough-In [Re: CabinConnection]
mtcabral Offline
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Registered: 09/04/04
Posts: 68
Thanks for the reply and good point on the existing flange, I will check it out to be sure.

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#571296 - 10/13/09 05:42 PM Re: 14" Toilet Rough-In [Re: mtcabral]
Able_Dog Offline
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Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 26631
Loc: N Georgia
Get an offset flange which will offset up to 2 inches and set it so the full 2 inches is at the rear and use a 12 in. RI toilet.

And as Al (CC) says a 12 inch toilet will look okay. I have seen it more than that and thought it would look bad, but when the toilet went in it looked okay.

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#571297 - 10/13/09 06:00 PM Re: 14" Toilet Rough-In [Re: Able_Dog]
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Bigfoot
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Posts: 34325
Loc: The Indianhead's Left Nostril....
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Get an offset flange which will offset up to 2 inches and set it so the full 2 inches is at the rear and use a 12 in. RI toilet.





Good point. If the existing plumbing/floor will allow it, this would certainly be a good option!

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#571298 - 10/13/09 10:28 PM Re: 14" Toilet Rough-In [Re: mtcabral]
RCovell Offline
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Registered: 09/26/03
Posts: 5711
Loc: Jayhawk Land
I recently went through this exercise with a good customer. They elected to have me install a 12" RI toilet, then, they'll create a shelf behind the toilet tank and use the extra 2" for storage.

Bob.

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#571299 - 10/16/09 09:19 AM Re: 14" Toilet Rough-In [Re: mtcabral]
pal42 Offline
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Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 29
Loc: Menlo Park, CA
I wish I had read all this last year. We have a bathroom at the back of the garage, and I replaced the window there with a door to allow easy access from yard and spa. There was a 12" Toto elongated at the 14" rough-in. At the home supply I special ordered an American Standard 14" round bowl toilet to get more passage room by the door. To my surprise the new toilet came with a 2" deeper tank on 12" bowl. The gap was filled by the deeper tank and I gained 2" with the round bowl, but not what I expected. I could have had the same gain for $200 less with a regular 12" round (leaving the 2" gap at back).
It looks like I could gain another 2" with either an offset flange (using a regular 12" round) or with the custom Toto.
QUERY: Can an offset flange be used on a concrete floor?

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#571300 - 10/16/09 09:23 AM Re: 14" Toilet Rough-In [Re: pal42]
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Bigfoot
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Posts: 34325
Loc: The Indianhead's Left Nostril....
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Can an offset flange be used on a concrete floor?




Sure! Just break out all the concrete and install the offset. 'Course if you were that far, might as well just put the flange at 12", eh?

Sorry - sarcastic mood right now.

So to answer your question a bit better... No, not without breaking out the concrete. The offset goes below floor elevation.



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#571301 - 10/16/09 10:23 AM Re: 14" Toilet Rough-In [Re: pal42]
EAP Offline
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Registered: 09/23/03
Posts: 11037
Loc: The HEARTland - Ohio
Quote:

It looks like I could gain another 2" with either an offset flange (using a regular 12" round) or with the custom Toto.
QUERY: Can an offset flange be used on a concrete floor?





Not to rain on your parade but offset flanges are NOT code.
They can clog easier than a typical flange.

But I'll bet most plumbers have installed them.

You did not hear me say that!
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#571302 - 10/18/09 09:45 PM Re: 14" Toilet Rough-In [Re: EAP]
LastTripToTulsa Offline
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Registered: 08/10/09
Posts: 27
Loc: Winnipeg
Quote:

Quote:

It looks like I could gain another 2" with either an offset flange (using a regular 12" round) or with the custom Toto.
QUERY: Can an offset flange be used on a concrete floor?





Not to rain on your parade but offset flanges are NOT code.
They can clog easier than a typical flange.

But I'll bet most plumbers have installed them.

You did not hear me say that!




Right!

And offset flanges only offset up to a maximum of 3/4".

There is NOTHING, however, that will prevent you from installing a standard 12" rough-in water closet on a 14" rough-in flange.

I'd do just that, and have done it in the past.

If you feel you need wall support for the tank, then install some wood 1-by or other material behind the tank to prevent problems and stabilize the tank.

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