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#447800 - 04/11/08 04:47 PM
Re: The Ford Boycott ...
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The word 'saint' has an interesting history. The word didn't exist at the time of the apostles. The word used was 'hagios' as in the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, the Hagio Sophia: Quote:
What many English bible-translations render as "saint" (the Greek word for saint, saints), was hagios (from agos and hazomai which literally had to do with "awe").
Therefore, the Greek Orthodox, who represented Catholicism in the Byzantine Empire until 1100 named the Sophia church as "Awesome Knowledge" and not "Saint Sophia."
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/haso/hd_haso.htm
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The word saint came into use in the English language in the 1100s, as an adjective used of those who had been "canonised" or "beatified" by the Catholic Church. At that time, the meaning of the word "saint" was "holy", with the same meaning as the Latin adjective sanctus which meant "holy", "sacred" (related to the verb sancio, "to consecrate"). Thus, "saint John" simply meant "holy John".
Later (in the 1300s or so) the word "saint" began to be used even as a noun, "a saint", but even that was regarding the Catholic "saints". It was only later, in Protestant times in the 1500s and onward, that the (English) word "saint" came to be used of church members, and of "persons of extraordinary holiness" and so on.
http://www.biblepages.web.surftown.se/eg03b.htm
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This title was applied without any authority but later the church fathers (leaders or writers) confirmed the titles. Still later the Popes confirmed the titles, and they have the authority. However, all that was a bit informal in that era, from what I read.
The title "saint" wasn't applied at all until the Roman Catholic Church invented the English title in the 1100's and conferred it making it a noun instead of an adjective applied to revered 'holy' people.
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there are no scriptures where the word "saint" would refer to people of our day. When the Bible talks about "saints", that refers to people who lived here on Earth in the first century. (That is the general rule. There are some few exceptions to that, but those exceptions do not refer to people of our day, either.)
What does this mean?
Is it only that the Scriptures for some reason "jump over" a period of 2000 years or more, so that they only mention the saints of the apostles' day, and then those of the "end time" (the great multitude)?
http://www.biblepages.web.surftown.se/eg03b.htm
Once again, it is a matter of self-serving propaganda being made to take on powers and what might be worse, to worship people instead of God and Christ.
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#447801 - 04/11/08 05:14 PM
Re: The Ford Boycott ...
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If people took the book more literally in its entirety rather than pulling loopholes (so-to-speak) out of it, we might experience less of the woes that are wreaked on the world today.
The truth is that every denomination of the christian religion pulls out "loopholes" in order to justify their take on the bible.
"The (very worst of the) woes that are wreaked on the world today" have been caused by various groups having differing interpretations of the Bible and the Koran.
If there were no religion and people simply understood how to live and let live without needing to be told how to live by someone who claims to be interpreting words from an entity that has never spoken aloud or been seen, we'd have had less incentive for many of the wars in our world's history.
But we are far from (and most likely will never achieve) the lack of ignorance that it will take to live in a peaceful world.
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#447802 - 04/12/08 06:17 AM
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#447806 - 04/12/08 09:25 PM
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Right on Bob! I notice that all of the "liberalminded" posters believe/express tolerance for all except for those that have views not in concordance with their own...then- the words "bigot, rightwinger/catholics, smallminded,etc... get lobbed like hand grenades. promote aetheism, gays, greenism/global warming fanaticism and you are an intellectual- question it and you must be a neanderthal bible thumper- so sad they do not see their own narrow mindedness.........
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