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#447740 - 04/04/08 10:23 PM
Re: The Ford Boycott ...
[Re: dora]
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"our beloved Wouldheart or Daniel."  "Your sweet love remembered such wealth brings That then I scorn to change my state with kings" My first car was a 1960 Ford Galaxie station wagon, twenty feet long, my pride and joy. I learned much about cars and driving from "The Whale". I parked once on a hill without putting the car in Park. I got out and realized the car was slipping downhill and I was between the car door and a telephone pole!! I managed to get out of the way and the open door stopped the car's descent down the hill. The door needed to be tied shut with string after that.
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#447741 - 04/04/08 10:40 PM
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So far as I can tell, it was a reexamination of their policy as a result of their bad financial results. After all, the homosexual market is a VERY small percentage.
Right, because only homosexuals would buy from Ford with that policy. There are millions of straight people that support gay rights.
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#447742 - 04/04/08 11:23 PM
Re: The Ford Boycott ...
[Re: dora]
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Registered: 09/13/03
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All your gusto is great and dead on, I'm just guessing/hoping your words of wisdom are directed towards the real bigot, Bob Fleming, and not our beloved Wouldheart or Daniel. They're in as much awe of Mr. Bigot/Hypocrit as you are.
And Hey Bob, I wouldn't put off getting some counseling to help you through those inner conflicts you're having with gender identity, seems it's just getting worse from year to year and who knows, you may end up in the newspapers like Pastor Ted, and wouldn't that be a shame.
I'm not here to defend Bob Fleming; he's perfectly capable of doing that on his own. I just feel that denegrating someone for being anti-gay is no different than denegrating them because they're gay. This world is big enough for both sides to live in peace without liking each other, and I see that as a more workable solution than one side changing the other side's opinion about God, nature and morality so that we all live happily together.
Bob came on here with what he thought was good news he wanted to share, and gets kicked in the teeth for it by some of us with different opinions they felt rightious in shoving down his throat.
There's a song they sing in the Church I used to go to:
"Oh Lord, grant me:
the wisdom to truly know the difference
between the things I can and cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the serenity to accept the things I can't."
... or something to that effect anyway.
I think most of us would agree that the situation we're dealing with in here is one that calls more for serenity than it does courage. Anyone who thinks they can ever change someone's opinion by arguing with them is naive. Opinions can only be changed from the inside.
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#447743 - 04/05/08 12:04 AM
Re: The Ford Boycott ...
[Re: Nestor_Kelebay]
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Search and Rescue
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Discriminating against someone for being who they are goes beyond having "different opinions". We're talking about human beings, not what you like or don't like on your pizza.
It's as arrogaunt and as judgemental as it can get to believe you're any better or deserve any more than someone you "don't like". And don't think for a moment that Bob's message of "good news" was some inoccent bell ringing. He has a self forfilling agenda of hammering on the gay population and "pushing his opinion" on others, all in the name of God of course. His long history of trying to degrade those that are different has earned him all the denegrating he's asking for.
And hey, he doesn't even need a shoehorn, it's a perfect fit.
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#447744 - 04/05/08 12:23 AM
Re: The Ford Boycott ...
[Re: dora]
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Registered: 09/13/03
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Dora:
In a case like this, where would the harm be in just letting Bob just share what he thought was his "good news" with us, and keeping our opinions on the matter to ourselves?
Bob, and his "agenda" will no more change our opinions on homosexuality than we will change Bob's opinions on homosexuality through arguing with him. Opinions are changed from the inside. We have nothing to fear from arguments, but nothing to gain from them either. They're a waste of time for all concerned.
I'm looking at this situation from a perspective of "what's right", not "who's right". There's a very big difference. If a reasonable person had to decide "who's right", you or Bob, they'd probably side with you. But if that same reasonable person had to decide "what's right", they'd see my point.
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#447746 - 04/05/08 04:54 AM
Re: The Ford Boycott ...
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Bob came on here with what he thought was good news he wanted to share, and gets kicked in the teeth for it by some of us with different opinions they felt rightious in shoving down his throat.
There's a song they sing in the Church I used to go to:
"Oh Lord, grant me:
the wisdom to truly know the difference
between the things I can and cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the serenity to accept the things I can't."
... or something to that effect anyway.
I think most of us would agree that the situation we're dealing with in here is one that calls more for serenity than it does courage. Anyone who thinks they can ever change someone's opinion by arguing with them is naive. Opinions can only be changed from the inside."
If Rosa Parks agreed with you, Black folks would still be in the back of the bus. You can defend him if you wish. But what we're dealing with here calls for sensible people to stand up and change what is wrong. BTW, the "church song they used to sing" is the Serenity Prayer recited at every AA meeting.
Edited by FranS (04/07/08 12:01 PM)
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#447747 - 04/05/08 07:37 AM
Re: The Ford Boycott ...
[Re: Bob_Fleming]
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Bigfoot
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The good, the fair and the moderate are obligated to speak out for what's right.
This sends shivers down my spine. It reads to me as if "Because what I believe is right, I am justified in any kind of abuse/actions to support MY view."
(In reading your other posts Kurt, I doubt this is really what you're saying, right?)
I'm with Nestor... Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and (at least in this thread) I don't see Bob force feeding anything. Unlike some of the openly hostile replies...
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#447748 - 04/05/08 08:03 AM
Re: The Ford Boycott ...
[Re: CabinConnection]
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Bigfoot
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and (at least in this thread)
See... 
I jumped  over`
```` the hammer and saw```..
The Old See / Saw....make one dizzy sum times...eh 
HA HA... Had to be quick to catch your re-post. Thanks!
As I was "trying" to say, the interchange of different views here is awesome. I'll be the first to admit I've modified my own perspective on homosexuality as a result of trying to understand what many kind folk on ATS have to say.
It's the pejorative personal attacks that are unsettling and disappointing to me...
OK... I'm done with this one. Gotta go out and enjoy SPRING!
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#447749 - 04/05/08 08:47 AM
Re: The Ford Boycott ...
[Re: Nestor_Kelebay]
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Registered: 03/21/04
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In a case like this, where would the harm be in just letting Bob just share what he thought was his "good news" with us, and keeping our opinions on the matter to ourselves?
Then why write what you wrote?
This is a place where people post opinions and discuss them. A homophobe has the right to reveal himself and we have the right to discuss it.
If we lose that right, this BBS will become useless.
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