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#358990 - 03/19/07 09:33 AM
no start--clattering on turn-over
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enthusiast
Registered: 04/20/04
Posts: 280
Loc: cleveland
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this could be bad. '95 Ford Contour 4 cylinder. You may recall that I just replaced the serpentine belt, with help from the post replies below. Anyhow, I test drove it by returning the borrowed tool from Auto Zone, about 9 miles away. Everything's fine, till about 3 miles into the way back home, when the engine just cuts off--quits. I rolled into a school parking lot and turn the key. No start, and it sounds like the motor is "clattering" rather than smoothly turning over. Oil level is correct, and nothing is dripping.
So the next day I have it towed the 6 miles home. I've got good spark, and plenty of fuel, and I can hear the electric fuel pump turn on. To be certain, though, I tried a splash of starter fluid in the spark plug hole, but no start on that either.
First, I'm hoping for reassurance that this is all just coincidental to the serpentine belt replacement. That belt is still on the right pulleys, etc., so please tell me that I didn't somehow roast the engine in that repair.
Second, of course, any idea what's happened? My initial thought was that I had either loosened and than dislodged some module or something, but the good spark belies that, I think. Then I thought maybe the fuel pump quit (coincidentally) but as I say I can hear it turn on. It's the clatter that worries me now. Could it possibly be a bad oil pump, and would that prevent a start?
I'm thinking of taking compression readings, but I'll have to pick up that gauge at the store tonight. Any other thoughts in the meanwhile?
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#358992 - 03/19/07 12:08 PM
Re: no start--clattering on turn-over
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Handyman
Registered: 01/23/06
Posts: 615
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it sounds like your timing belt has snapped, assuming it is belt driven cam(s). on some engines you can remove a few of the top bolts from the timing belt cover and kind pry the cover back a bit to see the belt.
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#358993 - 03/19/07 12:24 PM
Re: no start--clattering on turn-over
[Re: Davids]
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Registered: 04/20/04
Posts: 280
Loc: cleveland
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it sounds like your timing belt has snapped, assuming it is belt driven cam(s). on some engines you can remove a few of the top bolts from the timing belt cover and kind pry the cover back a bit to see the belt.
I did do exactly that, and forgot to mention it: I opened the timing belt cover (it's a DOHC) and the timing belt looked fine. (I didn't pull on it or anything, I guess I assumed that if it were broke it would look mangled or off track or something.)
Appreciate these and any suggestions.
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#358994 - 03/19/07 12:29 PM
Re: no start--clattering on turn-over
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Bigfoot
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 01/20/04
Posts: 34423
Loc: The Indianhead's Left Nostril....
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Compression test is your first step...
The reason this is your "first" step is it will tell you if your timing belt/chain has slipped, and is relatively easy to do. No compression on all cylinders indicates a major timing issue (the valves don't close correctly) in a situation like yours.
"Clatter" noise implies metal on metal contact... Like piston - valve contact... Not a good noise.
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#358995 - 03/19/07 12:36 PM
Re: no start--clattering on turn-over
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Handyman
Registered: 01/23/06
Posts: 615
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I guess I assumed that if it were broke it would look mangled or off track or something.)
no not always, did you at least push on the belt to see if it was loose?
it could be your tensioner that has faild, so the belt would "look" fine but just be loose
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#358996 - 03/19/07 12:43 PM
Re: no start--clattering on turn-over
[Re: CabinConnection]
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Registered: 04/20/04
Posts: 280
Loc: cleveland
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Not a good noise.
yeah ... it was rather discordant.
I'll look for the gauge and try to perform the test tonight. Was looking at the on-line instructions for a timing belt repair, and this one may be beyond me.
Hate to prematurely speculate, but if it IS t-belt, any reason to suspect the breakage or skip may have been caused by the serp. belt problem, or perhaps just related in time (like a headlight going when the other one does, e.g.)? Or could it just be a weird coincidence, or not worth pondering at all?
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#358997 - 03/19/07 12:49 PM
Re: no start--clattering on turn-over
[Re: Davids]
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Registered: 04/20/04
Posts: 280
Loc: cleveland
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I might probably touched it, but no manipulation to speak of. I'll do that tonight.
On the compression check, won't that further harm/grind the pistons and valves if they are out of time, now? Or is that unavoidable to get the reading?
back in an hour or so.
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#358998 - 03/19/07 01:13 PM
Re: no start--clattering on turn-over
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Bigfoot
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 01/20/04
Posts: 34423
Loc: The Indianhead's Left Nostril....
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On the compression check, won't that further harm/grind the pistons and valves if they are out of time, now? Or is that unavoidable to get the reading?
From reading your description above, if the noise is piston/valve contact, the few seconds you'll crank for compression checking won't be doing any significant additional damage.
Someone else here may know that engine, and be able to tell you if you can just look at a couple of pulleys or sprockets and see if some marks line up... Or something similar to that, which would denote relative cam position to crank TDC.
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#358999 - 03/19/07 08:23 PM
Re: no start--clattering on turn-over
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Don't Know Squat
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 01/02/06
Posts: 7890
Loc: USA
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. . From your description, it does sound like you may have a slipped belt......not good!
The V-tec (?) engine was an interference engine, and if that's the one you may have bent valves, etc. Check the belt carefully, and note any loss of tension.....
If, in fact, that's the case, the job is not insurmountable if you have the experience ..... and ability to pickup a rebuilt head.......
I think the serpentine belt replacement was a total coincidence....with one reservation... Did the engine overheat at all during your test drive? or just quit - no warning ???
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