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#311489 - 09/17/06 12:49 PM motor oil to use in summer and winter
Nestor_Kelebay Offline
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I've got a 1992 Chevrolet Cavalier, and the handle on the engine dip stick says to use 5W30 engine oil.

I've always understood that in Winnipeg's cold winters and hot summers, I should use 5W30 in the winter and 10W30 in the summer.

Should I follow the dipstick instructions or switch and use 5W30 even in the summer, or switch to 10W30 in the summer.

I phoned a GM dealership and they seemed to think it really wouldn't matter if I used 5W30 or 10W30 in the summer.

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#311490 - 09/17/06 01:20 PM Re: motor oil to use in summer and winter [Re: Nestor_Kelebay]
NEONNIGHT34609 Offline
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read in the car manual it will give u temps and what oil grades to use.. i think ur head is in the right direction 5-30 winter 10-30 summer ..

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#311491 - 09/17/06 02:05 PM Re: motor oil to use in summer and winter [Re: NEONNIGHT34609]
Murphyg Offline
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read in the car manual it will give u temps and what oil grades to use.. i think ur head is in the right direction 5-30 winter 10-30 summer ..




Cant see any problems that way.

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#311492 - 09/17/06 02:23 PM Re: motor oil to use in summer and winter [Re: Nestor_Kelebay]
Davids Offline
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the only difference between 5W30 and 10W30 is the 10W30 is thicker while the oil is COOL. they are both the same when the oil is hot and up to operating temp.

the first number is the weight of the oil at a cool room temp.

the second number is the weight of the oil when the oil/engine is up to operating temp.

10W30 does not have any advantage over 5W30.

if your oil cap says 5W30 then thats what you should be using, regardless of outside temp.

i used to work at jiffy lube, hehehehe

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#311493 - 09/17/06 04:13 PM Re: motor oil to use in summer and winter [Re: Davids]
Murphyg Offline
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Quote:

the only difference between 5W30 and 10W30 is the 10W30 is thicker while the oil is COOL. they are both the same when the oil is hot and up to operating temp.

the first number is the weight of the oil at a cool room temp.

the second number is the weight of the oil when the oil/engine is up to operating temp.

10W30 does not have any advantage over 5W30.

if your oil cap says 5W30 then thats what you should be using, regardless of outside temp.

i used to work at jiffy lube, hehehehe




I would prefer the 5W if I lived in such a cold climate like Winnipeg. Would be easier on the engine for those REALLY REALLY cold morning start ups.
Also easier and posibly less warm up time.

I think that would be an advantage.

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#311494 - 09/17/06 06:25 PM Re: motor oil to use in summer and winter [Re: Murphyg]
Nestor_Kelebay Offline
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Thanks for all the responses. I'll use 5W30 in winter and 10W30 in summer. That's what I've always done, and I've yet to get rid of a car because the engine was worn out.)

Murphyg: (BBBrrrrrrr! Cold here in Winnipeg!)
If you come up to Canada one day, you'll notice that every car has an electrical cord sticking out of the grill. That's to plug in an engine block heater. The block heater sits in the water jacket of the engine and heats the engine coolant, which in turn heats the engine, and that in turn helps keep the oil in the oil galleries warmer than it would otherwise be for easier engine starting. Still, the real problem is that most of the oil is sitting in the oil pan on the bottom of the engine where it's only 1/16th of an inch of steel away from the ambient outdoor temperature, which can get quite cold. But, without those block heaters, few cars would start here in Winnipeg on the coldest days of the year. Typically, a block heater will heat up an engine in about 4 hours. After that, the rising engine temperature results in it losing heat as fast as the block heater can provide it, so you reach an equilibrium condition where the engine doesn't get any warmer.
They also sell engine dipstick heaters up here. Basically, that's a small heater that goes where your engine oil dipstick goes to heat the oil in the oil pan. Few people use them, and I expect they might actually be a fire hazard.

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#311495 - 09/17/06 08:18 PM Re: motor oil to use in summer and winter [Re: Nestor_Kelebay]
morrisdancer Offline
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Registered: 10/27/05
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Loc: Michigan
I had a 1994 Cavalier Wagon and always insisted on 5-W-30 simply because that's what the oil cap said. Now, the "quickylube guys" said 10-w-30 was recommended also, but I was, well.....anal (I'm one who reads car manuals cover to cover, yeah, I know, I know...).

The "white bullet" finally retired at 260,000 miles due to reverse gear dying and a new transmission cost more than the car was worth, engine still ran fine

Liz
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#311496 - 09/17/06 09:33 PM Re: motor oil to use in summer and winter [Re: Nestor_Kelebay]
captain150 Offline
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Registered: 01/04/03
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Loc: Canada
Quote:

Thanks for all the responses. I'll use 5W30 in winter and 10W30 in summer. That's what I've always done, and I've yet to get rid of a car because the engine was worn out.)

Murphyg: (BBBrrrrrrr! Cold here in Winnipeg!)
If you come up to Canada one day, you'll notice that every car has an electrical cord sticking out of the grill. That's to plug in an engine block heater. The block heater sits in the water jacket of the engine and heats the engine coolant, which in turn heats the engine, and that in turn helps keep the oil in the oil galleries warmer than it would otherwise be for easier engine starting. Still, the real problem is that most of the oil is sitting in the oil pan on the bottom of the engine where it's only 1/16th of an inch of steel away from the ambient outdoor temperature, which can get quite cold. But, without those block heaters, few cars would start here in Winnipeg on the coldest days of the year. Typically, a block heater will heat up an engine in about 4 hours. After that, the rising engine temperature results in it losing heat as fast as the block heater can provide it, so you reach an equilibrium condition where the engine doesn't get any warmer.
They also sell engine dipstick heaters up here. Basically, that's a small heater that goes where your engine oil dipstick goes to heat the oil in the oil pan. Few people use them, and I expect they might actually be a fire hazard.





I'm actually amazed the temperatures cars can start in. When it was -46 degrees C (about -51 degrees F) here a couple years ago both our cars started. Though they didn't start or run fine, they "ran". Amazingly the temperature was -59C (about -74F) with the windchill factored in. Below -30 it's almost impossible for me to change gears unless I let it run for a long time.
Below -35, most cars cannot reach operating temperature at all. Mine sits at about 1/4 on the temp gauge in such cold. Within about 10 minutes of sitting off, a restart shows the temp gauge already right back at the C.
Of course in the summer we can get as hot as 100 degrees F. Goes to show the problems with oil here.
Block heaters do help, it would be better to have a block heater AND an oil heater. That would cut out a lot of the wear our engines see. An engine in this climate wears out many times faster than an engine in a warm climate.

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#311497 - 09/17/06 10:33 PM Re: motor oil to use in summer and winter [Re: captain150]
Nestor_Kelebay Offline
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Amazingly the temperature was -59C (about -74F) with the windchill factored in.




Wind makes US feel colder, but it won't affect your car's starting. Wind makes us feel colder because we lose heat faster (the same way we would if it were colder outside). But, if you're car's been sitting outside, it's already cold, and therefore won't lose any heat to the wind. Wind will only speed the rate at which a warm car cools down. It won't make a cold car colder.

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Below -35, most cars cannot reach operating temperature at all. Mine sits at about 1/4 on the temp gauge in such cold.




I'd replace your thermostat. If the engine doesn't reach operating temperature, then neither should the coolant and the thermostat should remain nearly closed. (and that, in turn, should cause the engine to warm up)
(I've noticed that the repeated warming up and cooling down of the engine tends to "anneal" (or soften) the closing spring in automotive thermostats so that the water pump pressure will be enough to open them wider than they should be in cold weather. If your car doesn't warm up properly in cold weather, I'd replace the thermostat with a new one. You should notice a big improvement.)

(Although I'm not sure if you'd even need a "cooling system" for your engine with an outdoor air temperature below -35. You might be losing heat to the cold air as fast as your engine can generate it. Still, I had the same problem with a 1973 Plymouth Satellite, and replacing the thermostat helped a lot.)

THANKS TO GLOBAL WARMING (and a BIG THANKS), we haven't seen temperatures colder than -40 deg. F here in quite a while. When I was a kid, -40 was common, and colder than that was common too. For the past 10 years at least, I've noticed the winters have gotten gradually milder so that even -40 is becoming rare, thank GW.

People living in the South don't understand the "joy" that comes over us Canadians in March and April when the winter starts to give way to spring.


Edited by Nestor_Kelebay (09/17/06 10:43 PM)

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#311498 - 09/17/06 11:01 PM Re: motor oil to use in summer and winter [Re: Nestor_Kelebay]
morrisdancer Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 10/27/05
Posts: 8199
Loc: Michigan
Re: Global Warming; Us Michigan folks, too, Nestor! Although last winter had people saying we were "back to normal winters" (ughh, noooooo!), I still fantisize about not freezing my arse off for 8 months a year!

March?!?? Oh, yeah, that month that "Spring is supposed to start". Shoot, we still have snow on the ground in March....Any Month with an "R" in it is bound to be lousy, then there's May, which means it May rain, it May snow, it May scorch, it May blow everything about...good weather doesn't start till June!

We don't plug in our cars but know many people who do. And yes, we have had to occasionally wait for the weather to warm before our cars start.

Liz
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Thanks, Chris and Ernie!

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